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    MorganNov 2, 2020 at 10:28 am

    I don’t necessarily like or dislike homosexuality, but I do believe that everyone should have the right to a happy life and equal rights. That said, I also believe it’s okay for people to disagree with you. That’s life. Not everyone is going to have the same beliefs as you, and that’s OKAY. I don’t think it’s okay to be violent when it comes to your ideas, but I don’t think it’s okay to scream at someone for having different morals either.

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    s4aSep 15, 2020 at 7:47 am

    homophobia is unacceptable always..

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    Jaden TippeconnieMar 5, 2020 at 2:03 am

    I think being gay is a sin. I am not homophobic. Those two things can go hand in hand. Nobody is going to make me feel bad about practicing my religion and having faith. If you think I’m “homophobic” just because I don’t agree with one decision you make, then maybe YOU are the judgmental one. Seems to me like some of you think that just because people think differently than you, they’re automatically horrible people. That’s messed up.

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    MoniqueApr 14, 2019 at 12:13 pm

    Being a pan sexual Catholic, the whole “hate the sin…etc” is a bigger crock of bs then “bless your heart”. Following that line of logic we could separate a rapist’s actions from their person. Which is a bit ridiculous since they’re misogynist even if they didn’t commit that actually real and mortal sin (in my opinion). As a catholic, I don’t think god particularly cares how or who you do the nasty with given the party (or parties 😉 ) can consent and are into it. Also, dear Isiah, what about being gay or anywhere on the LGBTQ spectrum is a “flaw”? Now being too proud to self reflect or put oneself in others shoes, now that’s a flaw.

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    Steven DrakeApr 11, 2019 at 11:53 pm

    It has recently come to my attention that some words that I wrote in this article were insensitive to people of color on campus. Just so there isn’t any confusion on the matter, here is the line in question:

    “We in the LGBTQIA+ community cannot separate our “sin” from ourselves more so than a person of color can separate their skin color from their body.”

    Some of the comments I have received voice concern about how I am equating queer experience on campus to that of an experience of a person of color on this campus. In truth, I never meant to compare or contrast identities or say that experiences are equal, because they most certainly are not even when there are intersectionalities of queer people who also happen to be persons of color. I apologize whole heartedly for any offense I have created against the POC community on campus and I take full responsibility for my more than poor choice of words.

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      Sarah Jo'on YeoungApr 27, 2019 at 6:59 pm

      Haha go woke or go broke! Can’t appease anyone these days.

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        Steven DrakeMay 2, 2019 at 8:36 pm

        I realize that you may never see this comment because it’s so far out of the way and there are no notifications; however, I just wanted to say that I am upset that you would assume that I am trying to appease a person or a certain group of people–specifically POC. In my article I used the lived experiences of people of color to leverage my argument which was a horrible and unthinkably regrettable mistake on my part. You may see these things as superficial and a non-issue but the experiences of POC are serious and in many cases a lot of experiences have a tangible form of hate, discrimination, violence, and even death. These are not things to make light of and for that reason I was compelled by my conscience to humbly ask for forgiveness.

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    isaiahApr 11, 2019 at 11:16 pm

    Hey man, I can see that you’ve been hurt by this kind of talk before, so I wanted to clarify things. I can’t claim to speak for other Christians, but the meaning behind that phrase isn’t really partial love, but rather love in spite of our flawed humanity. Hating “the sin” doesn’t refer to some specific wrongdoing out of a list, but rather the universal condition of being human. Gay people aren’t exceptionally wrong (but I can understand if somebody else has said that to you before). The whole basis of Christianity is that everybody’s flawed. We (are supposed to) overlook this universal human flawed-ness, which is not the same as partial love.
    I usually think it’s pointless to start a whole strand of comments in the Trinitonian, so I tried to find you on Tmail but couldn’t seem to dig up your address. Anyway, at this point, I’m used to people lashing at out me, but I can’t abide people thinking that I don’t love them. I’m not trying to ‘educate’ you or anything, I just think you should know that I love everybody (including you) in spite of our flawed state (which I also inhabit).

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    Angelique LopezApr 11, 2019 at 8:05 pm

    From what I understand, the phrase “love the sinner but hate the sin” in regards to homosexuality means to love the person but believe that homosexual acts, separate from the person, are sins. In other words, it’s okay to be gay. It’s okay to be attracted to the same sex. Don’t hate the person just because he/she is gay. Love the person. As for “hating the sin,” many religions believe that all humans are not sinless, but that doesn’t warrant those who follow those religions to hate everyone and themselves because of that. Some religions believe that sex between two men or two women is a sin, just like believing sex before marriage and adultery are sins. It’s a belief that says sexual acts are not “the core of [your] being,” an acknowledgement that you are more than that — that you’re just as human.

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      Calliope IzquierdoApr 11, 2019 at 10:32 pm

      The main problem many gay people, myself included, have with “love the sinner; hate the sin” is the inherent power imbalance thus engendered. The specific subjects of sex and intimacy tend to evade mainstream discussion of LGBT issues because they are, as you’d expect, intensely personal. If I want to express my relationship with sex (whether or not it exists in my attraction, what shapes it would take, its proximity to casual gay regard, etc.), I would have to approach from a vulnerability that would incontrovertibly color my expression. Sure, many religions assign divine significance to sex, but at the same time, every person approaches the definition of sex and divinity and humanity in different ways depending on their background, and in terms of navigating the predominating religious edicts and rules that affect a society’s collective norms, the stakes are higher for sexual minorities whose rights and dignities are oftentimes denied in real, material, and intimate ways. The denouncement of gay sex on religious grounds places an inherent, non-tacit judgment on a gay person that not only denies them of the same social autonomy as the privileged majority (consider Kayla’s article on female masturbation for a similar phenomenon), but it interrogates their relationship with sex in very complex and fraught dimensions. And the sensitivity of those dimensions are often completely lost on the kind of Christians Steven refers to in his article: homophobes who either equate gayness with sexual depravity (and there are LOTS), and homophobes who want to maintain a perceived civility by separating gay people from their capacity for intimacy. Isaiah’s snarky tone in the Chick-fil-A article (“At this point, any objection to homosexuality or preference of heterosexuality over homosexuality can, on a campus like this, become something much more radical than its really intended to be”) indicates very clearly his attitude towards the issue: that there isn’t an issue at all, and that being “cool” and complacent is preferable to letting the LGBT public express their collective discomfort for the power fundamentalist Christianity holds over their identities at large. This attitude erases, has erased many gay people’s voices of suffering in public discourse, and feels like a shallow minimization of the discomfort of privilege. To be reminded of your sinful impulses rings differently for people of all backgrounds in the same way all people approach the sphere of the divine (or choose not to) in individual ways, and to be honest, it’s so fatiguing to navigate the questions of whether or not such and such Christian person considers my identity with an asterisk and what that asterisk says. Because nine times out of ten, it probably labels me with either disgust or pity.

      If your first instinct as a Christian is to cover your ass on behalf of your peers, then you missed the point of the article. Need I remind you of Steven’s impetus for this? Isaiah’s invocation of “love the sinner; hate the sin” was directly defending Chick-fil-A, whose religious expression manifests in support for tangible discrimination against LGBT people. If you wanna defend the Fellowship of Christian Athletes and the other anti-LGBT groups in question, be my guest, but maybe try reading this article again and really interrogate how you view humanity. If a gay person considers gayness as part of their personality in some capacity, then you have to acknowledge the possibility that sex and intimacy are immutable elements of that identity (and furthermore, that that doesn’t automatically indicate a maladaptive infatuation with the flesh or the worldly, etc.).

      (Also “homosexual acts” is such a hilarious phrase that I’m gonna use exclusively now.)

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        Steven DrakeApr 11, 2019 at 10:57 pm

        Hun, I should’ve just let you write this piece! Couldn’t have said it better myself! I didn’t even begin to think about sex and intimacy, but really I see you’ve taken care of that argument lol. While I try to tread carefully when talking about my sexuality and how it relates to my personality–simply for the sake of not falling into stereotypes or having people see me as shallow (but who really cares tbh)–I never really even thought about intimacy being an “immutable element” to my being, although it all makes perfect sense! What kind of world would I want to live in where I don’t get to realize my full potential? Merely living and coexisting with my sexuality seems so bland, gray, and devoid of purpose/meaning whereas acting on it and living my truth is truly what drives life.

        Thank you so much for your comment! Made my day!

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        Noelle BarreraApr 11, 2019 at 11:51 pm

        Hey Callie? Thank you for being so brilliant and good as usual — also feel free to write a guest column for us if you want

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        Shirley CollinsFeb 13, 2020 at 6:44 pm

        I love people. The thing is with me I don’t understand. Why is it you want to be known for your sexual preference? Aren’t you more than what your sexual preference? As a person sexual at that you do? You are a person. You are a human being youl unique. You are special. And you are loving. I hope you are. The loving people So, please help me with this. Help me to understand. why you want to be known by your sexual preference? Be known for who you are. As a person

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      Shirley CollinsFeb 13, 2020 at 6:26 pm

      Thank you for saying it. so many gay people think it about them as a person. But it the act of sin they are more than What? There sexual preference are The Bible calls it a sin for a man to lie with man? And for a woman to lie with a woman. That why some say hate the sin and not the sinner we all have sinned and come short of His Glory So we can’t talk about each other. But you are more than what your sexual preference are. I’ve had friends and still have friends that gay and I tell them you don’t know. You’re worth. have valuable you are. I do not have a phobia. Who they are? Because I truly love people. And not who there sexual preference. And let call sin what it is sin, our Heavenly Father say a liar cannot tarry in his eyes site. That is a sin also? But when a man or a woman sin in a sexual sin. They seen against their own body. Bible teachers that our bodies it’s the very Temple of the Holy Spirit. And it we were bought with a price. And we do not belongs to ourself. Jesus Christ paid that price for us . 1st Corinthians 6;19&20 The holy spirit will not dwell in an unclean place. Man did not make these rules We have Humble ourself to his ordinance the rules of our heavenly father and our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ I hope this has been a blessing to someone and help someone who understand that life is not easy. But we have to thank you Heavenly Father for giving us life.

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